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(2014-11-23, 00:00)Twotems Wrote: [Only registered and activated users can see links Click here to register]

I'm not wrong Twotems... They're saying mostly what I said just said. T-Mobile 3G is 1900 in the majority of the USA.

In SOME places it's still 1700/2100... 3G has been refarmed to 1900 for many years now to make room for LTE on 1700/2100. Thus, some areas are using 1700/2100 for LTE and some for 3G as they refarm all 3G to 1900. It's been going on for quite awhile.

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The link I provided was updated November 19th (3 days ago). I'll stick with what they are currently saying on their website. I made this expensive mistake before and now have a pentaband phone.Yes, depending on where you live, some T-Mobile areas are still 1700/2100 for 3G (not 1700/1900) and AT&T is 850 or 1900 (not 900). If in a 1700/2100 T-Mobile area, you would need to switch to AT&T or be stuck with 2G if you had an 850/1900/2100 phone.

See the link above for the partial list that has the major cities which were refarmed to 1900MHz as of 2013 for T-Mobile. The process continues and likely many more cities and areas have been added since then.

(2014-11-23, 00:04)Sniper47 Wrote: [Only registered and activated users can see links Click here to register]

The link I provided was updated November 19th (3 days ago). I'll stick with what they are currently saying on their website. I made this expensive mistake before and now have a pentaband phone.Yes, depending on where you live, some T-Mobile areas are still 1700/2100 for 3G (not 1700/1900) and AT&T is 850 or 1900 (not 900). In that case you would need to switch to AT&T or be stuck with 2G if you had an 850/1900/2100 phone.

See the link above for what cities were refarmed to 1900MHz as of 2013 for T-Mobile. The process continues and likely many more cities and areas have been added since then.
Sorry Sniper but Tmobile are telling subscribers what they need on their website which was updated 3 days ago and you're quoting something from almost two years ago. WuddaWaste got his phone working on Tmobile H+ with 1900 but I wouldn't bank on it if I was buying a new phone. I'll listen to what the operator says officially on their website.

(2014-11-23, 00:11)Twotems Wrote: [Only registered and activated users can see links Click here to register]

(2014-11-23, 00:23)Sniper47 Wrote: [Only registered and activated users can see links Click here to register]

The Tmobile ZTE Zmax I just bought for my son has 1700. In order for a phone to work properly on Tmobile it must have 1700. Simple. All Tmobile branded phones have 1700. Otherwise why would they bother with it and state it clearly on their website?

(2014-11-23, 00:35)Twotems Wrote: [Only registered and activated users can see links Click here to register]

The Tmobile ZTE Zmax I just bought for my son has 1700. In order for a phone to work properly on Tmobile it must have 1700. Simple. All Tmobile branded phones have 1700. Otherwise why would they bother with it and state it clearly on their website?
Hi again Twotems. Again, you are incorrect here. I'm sure many areas are 1700/2100 and many areas do require 1700/2100. However, not all. See the link I've posted twice for the cities that are using 1900.

You started off very incorrect (1700/1900 and 900?) and for some reason want to stay incorrect. Not sure why, but that's of course your choice.

Many people are using 1900 on T-Mobile, including our own Wuddawaste, and several personal friends of mine with DG310.
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Unless you are calling us all liers?

Hi, @"Insent" If you are still open to suggestions, try to look at @"drewski" 's thread here [Only registered and activated users can see links Click here to register]. He has a well constructed list of phones that support 3G 850/1900, with other important criteria ticked.

A plus side about less recent models, like the THL T11, is that all the cons and problems of the phone will have been mentioned by now. If you can't find any major rants from users, then that would be a good option.

I believe Gizbeat used his T11 for quite a while, and had very little problems with it.

Sniper47, Twotems: Thanks for sharing the info. And just a reminder, keep things friendly. Thanks : )

(2014-11-23, 01:11)Sniper47 Wrote: [Only registered and activated users can see links Click here to register]

The Tmobile ZTE Zmax I just bought for my son has 1700. In order for a phone to work properly on Tmobile it must have 1700. Simple. All Tmobile branded phones have 1700. Otherwise why would they bother with it and state it clearly on their website?
Hi again Twotems. Again, you are incorrect here. I'm sure many areas are 1700/2100 and many areas do require 1700/2100. However, not all. See the link I've posted twice for the cities that are using 1900.

You started off very incorrect (1700/1900 and 900?) and for some reason want to stay incorrect. Not sure why, but that's of course your choice.

Many people are using 1900 on T-Mobile, including our own Wuddawaste, and several personal friends of mine with DG310.
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Unless you are calling us all liers?

Sniper, you're not lying and I would never suggest such. I corrected my mistake and I'm not familiar with at&t and don't care to be. Your information is fantastic news since it opens up a whole slew of phones for me to now consider to replace my Lenovo k910. But since I travel so much I'll still be looking at phones that include 2100 and 900. Having said that, your link refers to H+21 (I'm talking about H+42). Again your information is over a year old and their LTE network is up along with H+42 (4g) requiring 1700/2100.

(2014-11-23, 01:45)Twotems Wrote: [Only registered and activated users can see links Click here to register]

Unless you are calling us all liers?

Sniper, you're not lying and I would never suggest such. I corrected my mistake and I'm not familiar with at&t and don't care to be. Your information is fantastic news since it opens up a whole slew of phones for me to now consider to replace my Lenovo k910. But since I travel so much I'll still be looking at phones that include 2100 and 900. Having said that, your link refers to H+21 (I'm talking about H+42). Again your information is over a year old and their LTE network is up along with H+42 (4g) requiring 1700/2100.Yes, since a year ago, the 1900MHz network has only grown.

T-Mobile calling H+ "4G" is more or less just a marketing strategy. 4G=LTE. We have been talking about H+ which is 3G, which is supported by many areas on 1900.

If you need 900 for traveling outside the US, no doubt you will need at least 850/900/1900/2100 (which some China phones are beginning to have. See Elephone P3000 scheduled to be released next month). If you're in an area that needs 1700 for H+ (which is very possible), and aren't willing to move over to AT&T, a 5-band H+ phone would be your best bet.

Also, it's worth mentioning that up until about 6 months ago, all "China phones" (other than the expensive major brand ones) were 850/2100. Things have improved considerably, though there are still some stragglers. So, I'm curious if perhaps you ended up with an 850/2100 and haven't tested 1900 in your area. Is this possible?

We've been working directly with the manufacturer's (or trying to at least) to get them to at least release 4-band WCDMA phones. This would more or less make them worldwide H+.

According to Doogee's spec sheet, their upcoming phones will have LTE good for worldwide and 4-band WCDMA.

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(2014-11-23, 02:21)Sniper47 Wrote: [Only registered and activated users can see links Click here to register]

Unless you are calling us all liers?

Sniper, you're not lying and I would never suggest such. I corrected my mistake and I'm not familiar with at&t and don't care to be. Your information is fantastic news since it opens up a whole slew of phones for me to now consider to replace my Lenovo k910. But since I travel so much I'll still be looking at phones that include 2100 and 900. Having said that, your link refers to H+21 (I'm talking about H+42). Again your information is over a year old and their LTE network is up along with H+42 (4g) requiring 1700/2100.Yes, since a year ago, the 1900MHz network has only grown.

T-Mobile calling H+ "4G" is more or less just a marketing strategy. 4G=LTE. We have been talking about H+ which is 3G, which is supported by many areas on 1900.

If you need 900 for traveling outside the US, no doubt you will need at least 850/900/1900/2100 (which some China phones are beginning to have. See Elephone P3000 scheduled to be released next month). If you're in an area that needs 1700 for H+ (which is very possible), and aren't willing to move over to AT&T, a 5-band H+ phone would be your best bet.

Also, it's worth mentioning that up until about 6 months ago, all "China phones" (other than the expensive major brand ones) were 850/2100. Things have improved considerably, though there are still some stragglers. So, I'm curious if perhaps you ended up with an 850/2100 and haven't tested 1900 in your area. Is this possible?

We've been working directly with the manufacturer's (or trying to at least) to get them to at least release 4-band WCDMA phones. This would more or less make them worldwide H+.

According to Doogee's spec sheet, their upcoming phones will have LTE good for worldwide and 4-band WCDMA.

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Good information there. My K910 is pentaband and that's really what I'd be looking for to replace it. Since I want another 5.5" phone with the necessary wcdma and lte frequencies at a reasonable price I've been waiting for the 5.5" Vibe Z2. Unfortunately there are hardly any lte b4 and pentaband dual-sim phones below $500 let alone below $300.

I've bought the Lenovo p780, Jiayu g5 and iNew V3 (piece of crap) and none had the necessary 3g frequencies though the jiayu and p780 are still in use in my house, I ponied up the extra money for the Vibe Z k910 in order to ensure I could use it worldwide without any worries.

Sorry dudes. I've been away for a bit. Lots of awesome data in this thread.

I have a couple of phones here that get 850/1900/2100 and several that only have 850/2100. I can confirm that 1900 alone will get you 3G (H or H+) pretty much everywhere around here with the reframed network.

I'm on T-Mobile USA in the Salt Lake City area.

In regards to your original post I just took a look at the Umi Zero. It looks pretty sleek. I dig the design quite a bit. You've done your homework in knowing what the phone will and will not do, which is awesome. I know nothing of the brand, but spec wise it looks solid. Besides personally not knowing much about the brand, my biggest concern was just specs for the price. The T11 seems similar, but does get you 3G. I know you said you can live without (I have lived without for 2 years now myself), so if you like the style that much better to overlook the feature, I getcha.

More to come regarding my thoughts on the other phones. I read about the first one on your list, but unfortunately I'm already late for work. Haha.

Sorry in advance for my sporadic communication. I've been hella sick all weekend and am now playing "catch up" in life.

Posh Titan HD - This seems like an ok budget phone, similar to a Moto G (with a better camera, but without the Google support). Frankly, the 1GB/8GB/KK makes it too wimpy for me to consider for myself, but it's still a decent phone for the money.